So Patrick, welcome to the Get Hired Up podcast.

Patrick Allmond

Thank you. It's a great time of the year to be, to be talking on podcasts, business on the outside, slowing down and we're all grinding for the holiday season.

Maureen Farmer

Patrick's referring to the end of the year here for those people listening through the summer and other times. Patrick and I have tried to connect several times over the past year or so. And I'm so happy to have you here today. And rather than explaining what you do, I'm going to let you introduce the two sides of your business. And why don't we start with the marketing side and then we can talk about the other piece.

Patrick Allmond

I've been looking forward to it for a while. Like you said, we've had some challenges, but we both had the will and the will got us the way here. The marketing side, like you said, is the side that's taken up most of my business life. I, you know, I came out of the corporate world in about 1998, 1999 timeframe. I started a marketing firm called Focus Consulting, and we primarily focus on, and that's why I picked the name, focus on, you know, building (what I say) a big back end for people that want to sell their knowledge, want to sell their expertise. So the whole concept of, you know, building funnels, running traffic, uh, building up email lists. So people have like a legacy audience to sell to. That was really, that's really more of what our focus is on the business side is helping people sell and monetize their soft skills. And then, you know, eventually that led into me learning, personally learning what, what works and what doesn't for me when it comes to getting things done. Because as you know, when you, when you run your own business, it's up to you to wake up every single day and put your two feet on the ground and execute. No one's gonna, you know, you're not driving to a job. And, and someone's making you, making you execute certain things. So on that side, we have a company called stop doing nothing, which we really put out a lot of information on discipline and time management and goal setting and how to achieve certain things. So I like to call those people that do stuff like you and I play makers in the world, we're the, we're the ones making things happen. We're the one making, we're the ones making the plays in the world. 

Maureen Farmer

So, who would be your typical client on the marketing side? I guess on both sides, who, who's your ideal client or customer?

Patrick Allmond

On the business side, it would be someone who has a large body of expertise and doesn't know how to sell it. Uh, if, if you're like, uh, if you're like a Maureen of the world and you're just, you know, you're leaving a corporate job and you've got all these decades of, of, of corporate coaching experience and you just, you want to hang your own flag out. I would say, well, here's what we have to do in terms of building a website. Step one, step two, step three, in order to get to the point where, where Maureen gets plenty of traffic and doesn't have to worry about the bills so much. So on the corporate side, that's specifically what we focus on.

And then more on the stop doing nothing side, I like to help people build Uh, what I call realistic life execution plans, you know, I'm the kind of person that even though we have a certain number of hours in the day, we're not always 100 percent productive. So I like to make sure that what we do for people is, is a realistic plan, you know, cause life and kids and stuff like that just get in the way sometimes. 

Maureen Farmer

Yes, absolutely. So, I often think on the procrastination side are on getting things done. There's sort of the time versus the energy and people, I think, and this is my opinion. I don't think it's a time management issue, at least for me. It's an energy management issue for me in terms of getting things done. So I'd love to hear what your strategies are for, for planning out the week or whatever your blueprint is, I guess, for helping your clients optimize their performance. 

Patrick Allmond

Well, I'll go on how I operate because how I operate works for me. And that's what I in turn try to teach. So I can give some examples based on my own, on my own experience of life. And, you know, one of the things we like to teach is, is, you know. Even though you said time management isn't a big part, sometimes what people are having challenges with, still, we do have to have some kind of time management in our life. So I like to, you know, go through a calendar with someone and, you know, in a, maybe at a 12 hour day or an eight hour day, what, what are we aiming to get done in the next, you know, week or month or quarter or whatever, and then plan backwards from there and then lay out kind of a visual plan for it. So I use, you know, I like using the, the ClickUp project management software. And, and I like to tell people that, you know, when you want to accomplish a certain thing for a day, whether it's a weight loss goal or building muscle or, or launching a brand or launching a podcast, it's just a matter of setting, taking the time, prioritizing, setting things aside, determining what is important versus urgent. You know, we've all worked with that quadrant of we have urgent things and important things. And, and some things are urgent, not important. Some things are important, not urgent. You know, you have that all possible of the four combinations there. And then just kind of iterate every single day using tools like, um, you know, motions, a tool that I've really gotten into recently that basically helps you kind of schedule your day based on the priorities. You know, most of the time, When we outline a major project we want to accomplish, we may sketch out the tasks, but we don't plan the time in our calendar to start executing those tasks. So motion is a tool that I've, I like to use recently that lets you say, you know, if you've got, if you've got a 15 minute task here and you've got a spare 15 minutes after your lunch break, you know, and this is a high priority task, then let's fit that inside of that block. But, but people often have a hard time, in my opinion, with, with prioritizing their work. And getting the important and the productive things done first. And so whatever tasks are on around that is what we really like to focus on for people.

Maureen Farmer

Thank you for that. I use a blocking strategy. So a coach, a business coach I worked with years ago, I still have it blocked off the way she had suggested that we do it. And although I don't follow it verbatim exactly. Um, it's there and it keeps me grounded and keeps me focused. So I know that yeah, yeah. And it's been very effective. I would say over the past 12 years in helping me get things done. I mean, I never seem to get all the things done that I want to get done, but, but I'm able to get, you know, with that discipline, I, there's a copywriter, I know, I think his name is Bob Bly and he's written lots of books and, and I remember in a podcast that I listened to, he said that he, he basically worked seven to five, Monday to Friday, and he didn't do any work beyond that, but he was still able to, you know, publish all of these books and get all of this stuff done because he had the discipline. So what do you think about that type of an approach to, it sounds pretty basic, but what would you say is an important factor for being productive overall?

Patrick Allmond

The blocking strategy is probably when we're gonna get to, you know, eventually in this call, some guy to see that you brought that up because that's, you know, how I work with my calendar. If I was to show you my Google calendar right now, I'm a big fan of repeating tasks. So if I have to exercise, if I have to write a book, if I have to sit down and work on a marketing funnel, if I have to, you know, clean up my office, for example, we just, we just moved in my office is a mess of technology and cables right now. I like putting repeating, recurring, repeating, uh, Standing appointments on my calendar. So for example, I can glance. to our screen here while we're talking and I can see that I've got, you know, the gym time blocked off from five to seven every single day, which, you know, when you're working backwards, um, what I've done then is taken my work calendar and made sure that the last thing I ever put on my calendar is something at 4 p. m. I don't put anything on there for 430 or 410 or whatever. About 4 p. m. is when I really start winding down and 9 a. m. is when I really start winding up. So the five to nine on my calendar is blocked off for either internal marketing. Uh, or, you know, I, I wouldn't say I really do meditation, but I study a lot. I listen to a lot of podcasts in the morning. Um, sometimes I'm feeling really inspired, you know, I'll, I'll start, I'll get on a morning gym routine. Um, but the time blocking is what I absolutely love because, because with that, then you can easily schedule like what you're going to do with the client versus what you're going to do internally. And initially when people get into blocking, it's kind of scary because they lose a lot of time. in their calendar to do available things. But that also helps us focus. If you realize that, that if you have a 40 hour work week and you've blocked off, you know, 25 hours of your time for somebody else's work, the 15 is really going to make you focus on getting what you want really done. So I love this whole concept of time blocking.

Maureen Farmer

New York in June and I met a potential client. He only offers 15 minute meetings. I had 15 minutes and that was it. That's all he does for external. And I don't, I don't know about internally, but I know for external, um, meetings and it was very, very productive. He actually gave me 20 minutes. So that, so that was a good sign, but I thought, wow, that is a really, really not radical, but not typical for, for that type of meeting. And, and I've been trying to remove as many meetings as possible from my calendar. If I don't. Need to make a decision. It doesn't get done and we try to collaborate in different ways I mean not not to take away from meetings altogether because we do need that human interaction but if it's not strategically important, then it gets deferred, right?

Patrick Allmond

I've heard of a i've heard of a friend here once who doesn't do 15 minute meetings but if you want to pick his brain because we all get requests to pick our brain and it's Gets to be very expensive once someone picks your brain for a while. Yes Um, he lets people pick his brain, but they have to meet him at seven o'clock in the morning at a Starbucks up by where he lives. So, you can pick my brain for free, but this is where I will be. And this is what the time will be. And either you will, either someone's going to be motivated to get up and be there. And, and meet with him or they're, by not doing it, sometimes they're also giving him a message that, well, I'm not really that interested, right?

Maureen Farmer

That's an excellent suggestion because that does happen from time to time. Yeah. And, or urgent ones. Uh, and, you know, I have a meeting coming up tomorrow. Can you advise me? And it's like the day before, you know, that type of thing. So I see sort of a crossover here of potential client avatar or persona. I see a lot of subject matter experts that do have that body of knowledge and they have no idea how to commercialize it. And what we do is help with personal branding and help create signature stories and really understand the value proposition and sort of the alignment of values so that we're targeting the right organization. We're targeting the right client. So what we don't do is website development and things like that. We hire other people to do that. So when the client comes to you, what are they mostly missing? Are they missing any of that or do they pretty much know what they need?

Patrick Allmond

Most of our clients, and this is...I love this question because it's one of the easier ones. So thank you for throwing me an easy question, Maureen. A lot of the clients like the one we had this morning, we had a prospect call this morning. They've got. Some stuff they've got a ClickFunnels account, for example, because click funnels was an easy sell, but they've generated some product sales with it. They have a very basic speaking website up, but they don't have a membership site. They aren't driving paid traffic and and maybe this click funnels account. It's connected the, uh, some other tool. So they've got a bunch of tools, but there's just like tape, like duct tape, holding them together. And so what we've done recently, especially in the past six months is we've very well defined what tools we work with and what tools we don't work with. And if you don't have one, like the, I'll use the example this morning, the call this morning was a very, a great one. Cause it fit, it went right down my alley. I was like, okay, we're resellers now of a tool called like go high level and everything we do is in go high level from websites to funnels to blogging to selling products to membership site. And now we can easily say, okay, here are the things you need and we can build them for you. And You know, you can pay us to use this tool, which we have a lot of expertise in. So i'm really good at taking a lot of Messy tech and make it very organized and and make it very easy to work with and understand clients You know when we onboard clients are like here's my login for this site. Here's my login for this site, here's my login for all these...here's a spreadsheet of my 10 websites and all the logins for them. We consolidate all that stuff, try to get it down to a small, simple tech stack because people that don't know technology as well as you and I, they'll get in with someone who will have them buy lots of stuff, uh, and they'll end up paying a lot of monthly fees, but the things don't work well together. So, this is my long answer for a very quick answer is, is we, is people come to us in a, in a tech mess marine and we like to clean up that tech mess.

Maureen Farmer

So integration and creating an efficient tech stack. Can we go back for just a moment and talk about click funnels? Because, um, just in case the listener is not familiar with that, can you explain what that is?

Patrick Allmond

Yeah. Several years ago, a brilliant young man named, uh, Russell Brunson came up with a tool called click funnels. And what click funnels is. It's a way to build and sell your products online in our world of marketing with it. We have something called a funnel and everyone in this world has worked with the funnel, whether you're at a car dealership or a liquor store or online, a funnel is just a step by step process for buying something and click funnels makes it very easy to build that step by step process and sell things. And Russell Brunson now has a really great tool. I mean, I don't hate click funnels as a really great tool, but it also puts out a lot of educational material, which I absolutely love.

Maureen Farmer

He bought Dan Kennedy's business.

Patrick Allmond

I think that is right. He's he's he's doing very well. He's a big fan of Napoleon Hill, as I am. 

Maureen Farmer

Yeah, I know who he is. So that's really interesting. So we work with a number of different sectors and one sector are CEOs and business leaders who have decades of, as you mentioned, decades of subject matter expertise, but they don't know who To sell it to, they don't know who necessarily is going to need, they don't know the niche. And so we, we help them with that. We help them identify the ideal avatar. Well, yeah. What we do is we help the business owner reduce 95 percent of the total addressable market. So that they're not focusing on boiling the ocean. They have a very, very specific persona or avatar that they are targeting the ideal client or the ideal company. And that is really how we help our clients. We're not really on the technology side, we can recommend we can refer, but we get all of that personal branding, meaning understanding that person's unique promise of value, and then who needs that. Right now, for example, I mentioned we are working with a client in Asia Pacific area with a consulting practice. And so we've, we've, we're almost finished the branding. And now he's working on a website. So just curious where you pick up.

Patrick Allmond

One of the big misnomers of internet marketing is that it's, it's very easy to target your ideal client. You know, those of us in the marketing world, like you and I, when, when people say, well, well, where do I, you know, where do I get online and promote myself? Well, you go where your customers are. Well, that's a really easy answer to a complicated question because our, our clients are everywhere. You know, Maureen's clients are everywhere. My clients are on everywhere. And by everywhere, I mean they're on Facebook, they're on LinkedIn, they're on Twitter, they're on, they're on all these things. So, it's not just really easy for me to just go to a place on the internet and find my ideal clients. So I like to say that we use, um, we use paid marketing to help you cast a wide, cheap net. So you can, um, if you want to work with C suite black female executives over the age of 40 in the Northeast part of the country, who have been in a CIO role, CTO type of role, well, I, I can't target those people online very well, but what I can do is put an ad out there that targets females in New York who are related to technology, and then what you do is you use. Your copy and your content and your videos and all that other stuff to filter it down even more. So you cast the, we like to say, you know, you do a paid Facebook ad, you cast a wide net and then everything else in your funnel helps filter it more and more and more because the paid marketing itself, uh, or that what I call the paid traffic generation will, will never get you your ideal client. It may get you like an ideal large group. Of, you know, the, the 10 million or the 5 million possible people you want to talk to, but then everything else, the website that you talked about, the branding, how you are turning people onto your brand or turning people off to your brand that helps filter it all down a little bit more. So the paid marketing might get you. You know, 40 percent of the way there and then everything else that you that you do have to get you the rest of the way There does that does that answer your question? I felt like I was kind of long winded!

Maureen Farmer

No, no. It's helpful to have the explanation because when I started 12 years ago, I didn't know any of this I've skinned my knees a few times along the way so anyone listening here who wants to start a consulting practice of your own or wants to Have an online presence And I understand you help A lot of you help speakers as well, promote themselves right?

Patrick Allmond

Yeah. We, we work a lot with different, we have a lot of different friends in the U S here. We have the national speaker's association in Canada and the UK and Ireland, all these countries have their own version of that. But a lot of times these speakers are just like you talk about, I'm friends with, you know, old military pilots who get out of the military and you know, they've been in there 20 or 30 years and, and they want to speak now. And they don't have a clue as to where to start. But once they get on the stage, then, you know, they're, they're very easy. It's very easy for them to make money or grab attention for an audience. But sometimes they just have no idea where to start. And we're the place that people go when they're trying to figure out how to get started.

Maureen Farmer

That's excellent. Tell us a little bit about. Before your business. So you just alluded to the fact that you were in the military?

Patrick Allmond

Yeah. It may not look like it when you, when you see me on camera, because I shave my head a lot, but I'm, I'm, I'm not going to say I'm up there in age, but  I'm into a big part of my fifties here, probably like right around the middle ish of my fifties, uh, born and raised a Southern California boy. And, uh, back in the eighties, well, we'll leave the specifics a little bit vague here on purpose, uh, back in the eighties when I was graduating high school, I really didn't have too many choices. And so I joined the military, joined the air force, uh, was there for four years. After that, uh, went in the corporate world, um, with Hertz and IBM and the Hertz. Uh, since I was a technology guy, the Hertz tech data center is a couple of miles down the road. So that took me into the Midwest and to Oklahoma city where I, you know, I met my wife and had a daughter and then in about...end of 98, 99, I hung my own ticket and I went on my own and traveled all around the world, uh, doing, uh, kind of the kind of work I'm doing right now, but more training people on training corporate people, how to do, how to build tech stacks and things like that. Um, and so that's, and so I've, I've had, I've had my own business focus consulting since 1998 and then probably, you know, Five years after I got started or something like that, I kind of came up with the idea of stop doing nothing. And I'm leaning more into that message. People I'm noticing are kind of, they need the soft skills that the Marines and the Patrick's of the worlds do sometimes. More than the technology skills. The tech to me sometimes is because I do it so often. It's really the easiest part of the puzzle. Just hand it off to us and we'll make the magic happen. Getting over things like imposter syndrome or self confidence or building up something like, you know, I always like to encounter the, uh, the imposter syndrome with the Superman syndrome. I'm a big fan of Superman.

Maureen Farmer

I've not heard of the Superman syndrome. Tell me about that!

Patrick Allmond

I'm actually going to pull it up in my notes. It is a series of common behaviors that permit an otherwise normal individual to rise above normality to alter paradigms. To begin, most people have been programmed in school and at home to conform and to grow up and leave their imagination ways to the children. They are told to go to work and become a slave to traditional ways and to live life in the slow lane. The world's visionaries have not been so molded or have altered that mode to fit their needs. They have a strong sense of self, often born of a willingness to be different. When that is coupled with a mythical mentor that is larger than life, the possibilities open up vast opportunities. Most people are unwilling to play in such an arcane arena. But those who can emulate a hero are destined to more, to do more than they thought possible. So it's a lot of words to basically say that we almost have to mentally, Maureen, we almost have to wake up every day and say, you know what? I can be a superhero. I'm not going to be Superman with a cape flying around, but I can help people who used to struggle like I used to struggle. And to them, I'm kind of a mentor and I should embrace that. And share that knowledge and share that expertise so I can lift other people on my shoulders. So that's in my, that's in my notes here in my Apple notes. And I pull it up like once a month and I reread that to kind of remind myself of it.

Maureen Farmer

That's awesome. I'm very, very familiar with the imposter syndrome. So this is a new one for me. And, uh, what I say to is. When people are, let's say they're interviewing for a role, or they're speaking with a potential client. Um, what I suggest is simply to assume the position. So, once someone has been promoted, or they've been awarded a role, or appointed to a board, and they start to feel a little bit uneasy, which I guess is probably human nature, they begin to question the decision that put them there. And so the way I explain it is that, Business leaders and other types of leaders are not in the business of wasting time or resources, and they would not have put you there or offered you the role if you were not qualified. And so it's important just to assume the position, you know, that seems to resonate with with people. And I think that what's helpful is when our high performers. Understand that others like them are struggling with the same fears or the same apprehensions. It normalizes that fear I find.

Patrick Allmond

Yeah, you're right. You know when you when you get promoted into a position I would imagine that Initially, like you said you're just clueless. Why did they promote me to a CTO position? I have no business being in this job Yes, I went to the interview. Yes. I asked for the salary bump, but I have no idea why I'm here And, and like you just said, also every CTO in the world, maybe not every, but a good chunk of them were like that when they got in the position and they had to learn it and figure it out along the way. And the learning and the figuring out is what actually makes you better for maybe another leap. It's the, it's the, the learning and the figuring out. If that's, that's a soft skill that if we could teach more kids that, that rather than, you know, you have to open up a textbook or go to school to learn something, you can, you can figure things out on your own if you're driven enough. And it's, it's that drive that's going to help that self learning that's going to make people feel confident enough and get them out of that imposter syndrome. Because even I have some imposter syndrome every single day and I didn't realize, you know what, I do know something. So maybe I'm not much of an imposter if I've been doing this for 20 or 30 years.

Maureen Farmer

Yeah you're still here and still helping people. So. You bring up technology professionals and leaders. I work with a lot of technology leaders as well. I work with a lot of CEOs as well, but I also work with a lot of technology leaders. And what I hear from them is, you know, how do I get to the C suite or how do I make it to the C suite? There's one perspective that many don't think about and position themselves as. And I said, regardless of your functional expertise at this level, You're a business leader first and and technology is your tool that helps them to not potentially pigeonhole themselves into, Oh, I'm this one function. So I hear this a lot with, you know, lawyers with. With those that are seeking the chief legal officer role or financial leaders as well, you know, they focus on the finance and, and say, well, you know, I'm a finance person or whatever it might be. And, and so I remind them that they're a business leader first. And that seems to change their perspective.

Patrick Allmond

Yeah. I've had a lot of experience of growing, having to grow into that role back in my younger years from, from being, you know, uh, a day by day coder, fingers on keyboard, building codes and databases to, you know, working more in the world of strategic technology and, and coming up with, with big picture solutions versus solutions for the next hour. So I was, I was in that imposter syndrome at one point in time in my life too, when it came to technology.

Maureen Farmer

I think we're all in that boat, honestly.

Patrick Allmond

As much as we've talked about technology and the solutions and, and tech stacks and CRMs, the world I live in, as a technology guy, I can tell you that the soft skills are as important, if not more important than the hard skills, the hard technology skills, the tactical kind of skills. If you're a person that's had any kind of challenge with that, please get with the Maureen's of the world and they will help you get past things like the imposter syndrome and things like that. So, you know, while you may eventually work with a Patrick of the world for building a big tech stack, that will mean nothing if you can't get past your imposter syndrome and figure out how to, you know, build a good brand and turn your expertise into monetizing it.

Maureen Farmer

Thank you for that Patrick. I appreciate that. And I think for the benefit of everyone listening here, including myself, because everyone has a different definition of soft skills, so what do you consider soft skills or what are the top three or four that come to mind?

Patrick Allmond

So soft skills to me, let's say from a technology perspective, soft skills to me are taking the communication is a big one, communication, confidence. Having the ability to stand up in a room in front of a, you know, a group of strangers and, and give a technology presentation or, or being able, uh, public speaking is another one. These are just ones I'm kind of riffing off off my head, but public speaking and the ability to communicate an idea, I would say are probably two of the biggest ones. I kind of fell into believing that after realizing that, that I have a lot of good ideas. Every single day from the moment I wake up my eyes to the moment I go to sleep, I probably go through 20 or 30 just really great, amazing ideas. And if I don't execute on them, I'll forget on them when I go to bed. So having great ideas is not really the challenge of the world. It's being able to communicate with them, express them. And being able to convince a team that it's worth going this particular direction. So I would say probably the two soft skills really focused on our public speaking and overall just the ability to communicate with the written or the, or the verbal word will make a hill of difference when it comes to being a thought leader and getting your way in things.

Maureen Farmer

Absolutely. So Patrick, what has surprised you most in your career so far...overall?

Patrick Allmond

So many things, but the one that really comes to mind is me. And this kind of gets back to the Apostle Andrew, me, me aiming for too high of the person to talk to me, not focusing on the person I used to be. And by meaning that not focusing on helping the person I used to be. So, you know, I get in the business right now and often things I got to think, I got to think I got to deal with multi million dollar companies, but really I do best helping people that were what Patrick was five or 10 years ago. And when I focus on that, when I focus on helping the, the, the previous version of Patrick, get to the current version of Patrick, if I work with that kind of avatar, that kind of person, I do, I do really well. And I was for a long time, I didn't really kind of really want to work with that person, but that's really where most of the help is needed is, is getting people up on my shoulders to a higher level. So that, that kind of was a surprising fact. And once I learned it. And I adopt it, uh, my marketing works a lot better.

Maureen Farmer

Well, that's such a unique answer. Thank you for sharing that. And I'll be thinking about that. The last question I have for you is we here at Westgate, Maddie and I and Brenna are collecting the names of restaurants for publication. So having said that, what would be your favorite restaurant? Give us one in your city and one in the world.

Patrick Allmond

Okay. In the world. Oh my goodness gracious, so many good choices. Uh, cause we both, cause we travel on business. So, I will pick one. Out in San Francisco and in Beverly Hills, there is a garlic restaurant called The Stinking Rose. And when I make it to the, when I make it to the, to the West Coast, I will go to the Stinking Rose and they've got, you know, garlic appetizers, obviously garlic all over every single meal. And even for dessert, they have garlic ice cream, which surprisingly tastes very, very well. Very, very good. Um, here. Oh, again, so many choices. So we're going to go with, um, we're going to go. We'll go with the barbecue place. Okay. Right. So there's a, there's a local place called Leo's here, uh, which is a hole in the wall barbecue place that used to be in like a former gas station. And I love that place. I love the hole in the wall kind of food places where, you know, they, they pass food inspection, but probably barely, but it doesn't really matter. The food's great. And the atmosphere is great. And when you can walk in there and just relax and be yourself and get a good meal at a cheap dollar, then I'm all for that right there. 

So barbecue, a local place named Leo's in Oklahoma City. And the Stinking Rose in San Francisco on Beverly Hills.

Maureen Farmer

Awesome. So this list that we're putting together, we'll make sure that they get on to next year's list because this year's list is done, but the vision for the list is to help listeners, um, identify really good quality places to have dinner as they're doing their business traveling. It's fun to because we're all we're all foodies over here. So, that's great. Patrick, how can people reach you?

Patrick Allmond

Just go to the website, stop doing nothing. com. That's that's the main website I promote this days. You can do that. My email address is just Patrick at stop doing nothing. com. And either one of those, you know, will get you in touch with me or you could always just text me Uh, my, my personal cell is 405 850 1034. I have no problem handing that out. So just let me know you heard me on Maureen's show and I'll take care of you.

Maureen Farmer

Stop doing nothing. com. Patrick Allmond. Thank you so much for your time today, Patrick!

Patrick Allmond

Thank you for being patient and helping us, you know, adjust our schedule so we could finally talk!

Maureen Farmer

It was awesome. Thanks again!

Patrick Allmond

My pleasure!